The shadow side of human nature - Dark, Hidden or Deep; where the web is spun?

The topic that can create horror, distain or curiosity. Either way we’re going onto the world of full time buisness people who often work in the realms or depths of a world wide market that many of us do not visit.    Our conversation is fluid, candid and matter of fact as Gary and I are colleagues and friends outside of the podcast world so our conversation borders on chit chat around a difficult topic and in light of this listeners/viewers may find our approach less than journalistic,  and it’s meant to be unjournalistic (by the way I’m making that word a thing) , this is a reflection of the world that exists that many people are shocked by, don’t understand and have no experience of so we tell it as it is through our work in this realm. (Those of you listening on iTunes may well enjoy the video as there’s plenty of non verbal reflections on there that get missed by audio..just say